| Gunsmoke | The AK is certainly a platform with longevity, but even now, with all the aftermarket parts, there is only so much they can do with it. | 2017-09-21 09:56:42 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | Yeh i,m also thinkig based iOn my 'reasrarch' that for battles 6.5 or 7.0 would be the best. I think the Ak 103 could potainally last some time into the future. | 2017-09-21 01:07:10 |
| Gunsmoke | We've milked the AR platform for all its worth and the Russians have done the same with their AKs, both countries are about to move on to something more appropriate for the modern battlefield. My hope however, is placed into Ohio Ordanance Works HCAR (Heavy Combat Assault Rifle) its a revamped 1918 BAR action and gas system, it has the effective range we need, and is robust enough to withstand incredible torment. And I'm partial to the BAR. | 2017-09-20 18:04:12 |
| Gunsmoke | Except its not. We were frequently engeaged by enemy combatants at 400-500 meters and beyond, this is about the maximum effective range of the M16A4 or M4 carbine, whilst most of the enemy arsenal consisted of AKs with about the same effective range, and MGs and long rifles with 900-1000m effective range, as well as indirect fire support. They could attack us from beyond the effective range of our weapons, that's why the DoD is currently looking into rounds such as th 6.5mm Creedmoor as a potential replacement. The M16/M4 series rifles are more suited to conventional urban warfare. However, the 5.56 NATO round has a high tendency to deflect off of the pelvic bone, meaning a hip shot is all but garunteed to hit the phemoral artery and the target will rapidly belld out and die, so that is probably the one saving grace of these aging weapon platforms. | 2017-09-20 18:04:08 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | yeh i always think Total war Scenarioes ;) i hardly call the m16 a total war rifle. its a great Counter-insugency rifle though. though we nick-named it the peashooter XD | 2017-09-20 17:30:52 |
| Gunsmoke | Truth be told, unless our military leadership satys as strong as it is with the current administration, they'll probably keep using regular frags. Mainly because the face of warfare has changed considerably post 9/11. If we were still primarily fighting conventional militaries, we would probably move on to more concussive grenades, but with the overall face of warfare being that of counter-insugency and PSYOPS/information warfare, the frags will remain dominant. At least that is my opinion. | 2017-09-20 17:04:22 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | with armour coming up you think its back to concussive grenades? only thing i can see is in your face or your arms and feets . feets having to take one hard to the bone to be taken out | 2017-09-20 16:52:27 |
| Gunsmoke | yeah, I learned the metric system in the military, but my current job uses imperial mesurements, so I just roll with it. And you're right, while most grenades rely on shrapnel, the concussive blast still exists, and will still ♥♥♥♥ you up. | 2017-09-20 15:18:18 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | correction. concussive blasts being the main thing. | 2017-09-20 14:25:37 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | dont ya learn metric in the US Military?. but yeh RPG has more impact then a hand grenade. most grenades today aren't desgined under the idea of concussive blasts, like the german ww2 grenades. from the kevlar and dragonscale taking the blast, depending on how much kevlar you have underneath the dragonscale as padding | 2017-09-20 14:24:57 |
| Gunsmoke | I was about twenty feet from an RPG impact and it was enough to knock me on my ass and give me a concussion. If you were right on top of something similar, it'd most definitely kill you, but like I said, they plates could withstand the shrapnel, you'd probably crack a few ribs from the force of the impact, but the concussive blast would kill your ass. | 2017-09-20 14:15:34 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | Ehh never mind. they dident i guess the memory just implanted itself after being 7 years old. cause it would make sense , yeh i can see the blast pressure killing you | 2017-09-20 14:08:37 |
| [TPPL] King Leonidas | well its not a real life guy jumping on. but they did put those PSI bars. the dragonscale was pretty much blown of and it was only the kevlar part left. i think it dident break the 20 PSI. 50 being dead. i think its between breaking one rib or two or walking out bruised | 2017-09-20 13:48:24 |
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